Ukraine and Georgia NATO membership not in US Interest. Serious risk of destabilising region

September 24, 2008

UKRAINE AND GEORGIA IN NATO NOT SEEN TO BE IN U.S. INTEREST
Former U.S. ambassador to Moscow Jack Matlock said on Tuesday

By Susan Cornwell, Reuters, Washington, Tuesday, September 16, 2008

WASHINGTON, D.C. – NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine is not in Washington’s or the alliance’s interest, former U.S. ambassador to Moscow Jack Matlock said on Tuesday as he and other ex-U.S. envoys decried the poor state of ties with Russia.

At a gathering of five former U.S. and Russian ambassadors, Matlock, the last U.S. envoy to the Soviet Union, questioned a central tenet of Bush administration policy: its firm support for the NATO membership bids of both Georgia and Ukraine.

Some European countries have doubts about the policy, and some U.S. analysts have blamed it for helping provoke the brief war last month between Russia and Georgia over the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

Since Russian troops crushed Georgian forces in that conflict, U.S. ties with Moscow have plummeted. “To simply say every country should have the right to apply to any alliance it wants, that’s true. But an alliance and its members should also have the right to determine whether it’s in their interests to take in a member,” Matlock told the forum in Washington, sponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

“I’m saying it’s not in the United States’ interests, and it’s not in NATO’s interests,” said Matlock, who was ambassador to Moscow from 1987 to 1991 under former President George H.W. Bush, the current president’s father. Georgia had not settled territorial disputes with its neighbours, and appeared to want to use the NATO military alliance to help resolve them, Matlock said, in a reference to its conflict with Russia.

As for Ukraine, which like Georgia is a former Soviet republic, most of its population opposed membership and joining NATO would risk splitting the country, Matlock said. He added that genuine strategic cooperation with Moscow, which vehemently opposes NATO membership for the two former Soviet republics, would be nearly impossible “as long as we’re pushing this.”

In New York on Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met Ukraine’s foreign minister and pledged Washington’s firm support for Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. But in Washington, Matlock and former U.S. envoys to Moscow James Collins and Arthur Hartman pointed to the consequences of ignoring Russia’s attitude on NATO expansion.

They shared a platform with two former Soviet ambassadors to Washington, Alexander Bessmertnykh and Yuri Dubinin, who denounced the NATO expansion policy as a major irritant in relations. “I personally believe that we need to go slow. … If we don’t, we will find that this is not something that stabilizes but rather divides,” Collins said.

Hartman said that at the time the Soviet Union was collapsing in the early 90s, it was a “great failure” that the West didn’t think creatively about a structure to replace NATO — because the main purpose of its existence, to defend against a Soviet threat, no longer existed.

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Ukraine and Georgia NATO membership not in US Interest. Serious risk of destabilising region

September 24, 2008

UKRAINE AND GEORGIA IN NATO NOT SEEN TO BE IN U.S. INTEREST
Former U.S. ambassador to Moscow Jack Matlock said on Tuesday

By Susan Cornwell, Reuters, Washington, Tuesday, September 16, 2008

WASHINGTON, D.C. – NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine is not in Washington’s or the alliance’s interest, former U.S. ambassador to Moscow Jack Matlock said on Tuesday as he and other ex-U.S. envoys decried the poor state of ties with Russia.

At a gathering of five former U.S. and Russian ambassadors, Matlock, the last U.S. envoy to the Soviet Union, questioned a central tenet of Bush administration policy: its firm support for the NATO membership bids of both Georgia and Ukraine.

Some European countries have doubts about the policy, and some U.S. analysts have blamed it for helping provoke the brief war last month between Russia and Georgia over the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

Since Russian troops crushed Georgian forces in that conflict, U.S. ties with Moscow have plummeted. “To simply say every country should have the right to apply to any alliance it wants, that’s true. But an alliance and its members should also have the right to determine whether it’s in their interests to take in a member,” Matlock told the forum in Washington, sponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

“I’m saying it’s not in the United States’ interests, and it’s not in NATO’s interests,” said Matlock, who was ambassador to Moscow from 1987 to 1991 under former President George H.W. Bush, the current president’s father. Georgia had not settled territorial disputes with its neighbours, and appeared to want to use the NATO military alliance to help resolve them, Matlock said, in a reference to its conflict with Russia.

As for Ukraine, which like Georgia is a former Soviet republic, most of its population opposed membership and joining NATO would risk splitting the country, Matlock said. He added that genuine strategic cooperation with Moscow, which vehemently opposes NATO membership for the two former Soviet republics, would be nearly impossible “as long as we’re pushing this.”

In New York on Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met Ukraine’s foreign minister and pledged Washington’s firm support for Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. But in Washington, Matlock and former U.S. envoys to Moscow James Collins and Arthur Hartman pointed to the consequences of ignoring Russia’s attitude on NATO expansion.

They shared a platform with two former Soviet ambassadors to Washington, Alexander Bessmertnykh and Yuri Dubinin, who denounced the NATO expansion policy as a major irritant in relations. “I personally believe that we need to go slow. … If we don’t, we will find that this is not something that stabilizes but rather divides,” Collins said.

Hartman said that at the time the Soviet Union was collapsing in the early 90s, it was a “great failure” that the West didn’t think creatively about a structure to replace NATO — because the main purpose of its existence, to defend against a Soviet threat, no longer existed.

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Our Ukraine Presidential power stuggle to decimate President’s support and claim to govern

September 22, 2008



Notional seats based on poll results
 

Parliamentary Seats  
Publication Date   19-Sep-08 04-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 21-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Dates from 01-Sep-08 15-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 11-Apr-08  
to to to to Election Results
07-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 17-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Source   Kyiv International Institute of Sociology 

FOM-Ukraina FOM-Ukraina Ukrainian Center for Economical and Political Studies  CEC PoR 180 189 164 162 175 BYuT 186 158 189 171 156 OU-PSD 29 28 37 51 72 CPU 29 38 37 35 27 LPB 26 36 23 31 20 SPU   PSPU       Others   Undecided   None   Uknown       450 450 450 450 450   A-(PoR+CPU) 209 228 201 197 202 B- (OUPSD+BYuT) 215 186 226 222 228 Lytvyn 26 36 23 31 20       450 450 450 450 450

Poll Details
 

Publication Date   19-Sep-08 04-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 21-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Dates from   01-Sep-08 15-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 11-Apr-08  
  to to to to Election Results
  07-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 17-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Source   Kyiv International Institute of Sociology  FOM-Ukraina FOM-Ukraina Ukrainian Center for Economical and Political Studies  CEC
 
PoR 23.30% 26.60% 20.30% 26.80% 34.36%
BYuT 24.10% 22.20% 23.40% 28.30% 30.72%
OU-PSD 3.80% 3.90% 4.60% 8.40% 14.16%
CPU 3.80% 5.40% 4.60% 5.80% 5.39%
LPB 3.40% 5.10% 2.80% 5.10% 3.96%
SPU 1.10% 1.70% 2.86%
PSPU 1.00% 1.90% 0.40%  
 
Peoples Self-Defence 1.10% 1.80%  
Others 3.10% 2.90% 5.78%
Undecided 19.80% 11.40%  
None 9.10% 9.20% 2.77%
Uknown 0.00%  
Sum (Participation Rate) 60.50% 100.00% 55.70% 100.00% 100.00%


Our Ukraine Presidential power stuggle to decimate President’s support and claim to govern

September 22, 2008



Notional seats based on poll results
 

Parliamentary Seats  
Publication Date   19-Sep-08 04-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 21-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Dates from 01-Sep-08 15-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 11-Apr-08  
to to to to Election Results
07-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 17-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Source   Kyiv International Institute of Sociology 

FOM-Ukraina FOM-Ukraina Ukrainian Center for Economical and Political Studies  CEC PoR 180 189 164 162 175 BYuT 186 158 189 171 156 OU-PSD 29 28 37 51 72 CPU 29 38 37 35 27 LPB 26 36 23 31 20 SPU   PSPU       Others   Undecided   None   Uknown       450 450 450 450 450   A-(PoR+CPU) 209 228 201 197 202 B- (OUPSD+BYuT) 215 186 226 222 228 Lytvyn 26 36 23 31 20       450 450 450 450 450

Poll Details
 

Publication Date   19-Sep-08 04-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 21-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Dates from   01-Sep-08 15-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 11-Apr-08  
  to to to to Election Results
  07-Sep-08 27-Aug-08 08-Aug-08 17-Apr-08 30-Sep-07
Poll Source   Kyiv International Institute of Sociology  FOM-Ukraina FOM-Ukraina Ukrainian Center for Economical and Political Studies  CEC
 
PoR 23.30% 26.60% 20.30% 26.80% 34.36%
BYuT 24.10% 22.20% 23.40% 28.30% 30.72%
OU-PSD 3.80% 3.90% 4.60% 8.40% 14.16%
CPU 3.80% 5.40% 4.60% 5.80% 5.39%
LPB 3.40% 5.10% 2.80% 5.10% 3.96%
SPU 1.10% 1.70% 2.86%
PSPU 1.00% 1.90% 0.40%  
 
Peoples Self-Defence 1.10% 1.80%  
Others 3.10% 2.90% 5.78%
Undecided 19.80% 11.40%  
None 9.10% 9.20% 2.77%
Uknown 0.00%  
Sum (Participation Rate) 60.50% 100.00% 55.70% 100.00% 100.00%


Georgia and Ukraine ‘shouldn’t join Nato’

September 18, 2008

Russian armour in South Ossetia: who started the war?

In a potentially significant swing of expert Western opinion, a leading British think tank has urged that Nato membership should not be granted to Georgia or Ukraine

“The policy of Nato enlargement now would be a strategic error,” said Dr John Chipman, Director General of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).

“There is no case for accelerating membership for Georgia and Ukraine. There is a strong case for a pause,” he said in remarks introducing the IISS’s annual review of world affairs, the Strategic Survey.

The IISS intervention shows that following the war in Georgia, a debate is growing about whether a confrontational approach to Russia is the best one.

The IISS is critical of Georgia’s actions during the conflict

The IISS is highly critical of Georgian actions – in contrast to the support Georgia has received from the US and some European countries, notably Britain. Naturally, if Georgia is faulted, then less blame can be put on Russia, whatever its reaction or, as some hold, its over-reaction.

Dr Chipman said that the “balance of evidence suggests that Georgia started this war”.


Hryhoriy Nemyria

September 18, 2008

Hryhoriy Nemyria Interview BBC

Ukraine crisis is a stuggle between two heads of power and Ukraine’s future as a European Parliamentry Democracy. Our Ukraine and Yushchenko destroyed the alliance.


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This is not a East versus West stereo type conflict

September 18, 2008

This is not a East versus West stereo type conflict, as portrayed in the western media and promoted by the US administration. It is false and misleading to present it as such.

The majority of Ukraine’s politicians support Ukraine’s integration into Europe and also support maintaining close ties with Russia.

The main destabilizing influence in Ukraine today is the US backed President, Viktor Yushchenko, who has divided Ukraine like never before as he pursues a personal power struggle between the Office of the president and the peoples elected Parliament.

This will be the second parliament in less than a year that Yushchenko has dismissed. The previous Parliament was dismissed unconstitutionally in order to prevent the parliament from gaining support for the establishment of European Parliamentary democracy in Ukraine. Every other former Soviet state when they declared independence had adopted a Parliamentary model except Ukraine. The struggle to establish a Parliamentary system of governance existed since Ukraine declared independence. Yushchenko in 2002 opposed the move and transition to a Parliamentary system, amendments to the constitution fell short by five votes of the two thirds required constitutional majority.

All other conflicts in Ukraine are related in part to Ukraine’s desire to governed by rule of law as opposed to rule by Presidential decree.

The current conflict is part of that ongoing struggle with Yushchenko in the minority trying desperately to hold on to power.

In 2007 the Parliamentary assembly of the Council of Europe (April 17) recommended that Ukraine adopt a full parliamentary system of governance.

Viktor Yushchenko and his political party “Our Ukraine”‘s rating in the public opinion polls is below 5%.

What does this tell you?

If anyone should face the people of Ukraine it should be the President, his actions and policies do not reflect the wishes and aspirations of the Ukrainian people.

Yushchenko’s push to have Ukraine join NATO against the will of the people of Ukraine (60% are opposed to the NATO membership) Yushchenko’s constant attempts to undermine successively Ukraine’s democratically elected Parliament(s) has seriously impacted on Ukraine’s economic and social development and the security of the region.

The only real long term solution is for Ukraine to initiate constitutional reform, establish a truly democratic Parliamentary system of governance in line with other European States. Remove power from the Office of the President and hold fresh Parliamentary and Presidential elections under the new system and soon as possible. Putting an end to the destructive and divisive personal power struggle between The President of Ukraine and the people’s democratically elected Parliamentary representatives.

Americans do not have a parliamentary system and as such they do not understand the benefits of a parliamentary democracy. Canada,Great britain, Australia, Scandinavia and all or Europe except France) are governed under a Parliament system.

If Ukraine wants to become part of Europe then it should model itself on European systems and adopt European values and not have forced on them the dictates of Presidential rule. Democracy is about representing the people and rule of law not Presidential decrees based on the wishes of the minority.

Fresh elections without constitutional reform will do noting to resolve Ukraine’s ongoing political crisis and the personal power struggle between the President of Ukraine and the Parliament.

As long as Yushchenko remains President Ukraine will be continue to suffer perpetual political crisis.